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dangerous owners or dangerous dogs?


it seems that once again, our politicians are showing their usual pre election knee jerk reactions to forming policy. 

i live in the center of birmingham, and work in some of its most deprived areas, so i see first hand some of the dogs that are being refered to, and the behaviours in these dogs caused on the most part by their young and uninformed owners.

as an ex owner of a pitbull, (who had pitbull friends) and ex veterinary nurse, i can also attest that these are fantastic dogs, gentle, loving and clownish, as represented by the assistance dogs that work in the usa.

so what do you other mooks think? should we start adding other dogs to the list of dangerous ones, the staffrodshire bull terrier, mastiffs, rottweiller? (... perhaps, the ones that used to bite me the most at work, west highland terriers, collies, and weimeranners?)

in pactical terms, how enforcable is this new law, i see pitbulls and pitbull crosses every day, how come action is not already taken? will this make any real difference?

should we see all dogs muzzled and walked only on a leash in public areas? if so, how public is the park, or local fields, will local authorities start building dog parks where owners can exercise their dogs off lead?

what is the best way to deal with the inevitable dumping of dogs by owners unable to get insurance cover for their dog once this proposed ammendment to the law is made? will these dogs be kept in kennels to live their lives out or euthenaised?



or maybe theres a better way to deal with the whole issue? the kennel club already runs a scheme called the good citizens award, covering all aspects of dog training and obedience, they could team up with local schools and colleges and give these owners something more to be proud about than 'look how big my dog's head is'.
what we're dealing with is a culture where a dog has become a status symbol and possibly a weapon instead of a companion and loyal defender. we need to redress the balance.

i leave you with the wise words of the dog whisperer, and a couple of links for those interested



"My kids are around pit bulls every day. In the '70s they blamed Dobermans, in the '80s they blamed German shepherds, in the '90s they blamed the Rottweiler. Now they blame the pit bull."
- Cesar Millan



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I think it's fucking ridiculous. It's got nothing to do with the type of dog it is, more how their stupid owners can't be arsed to train them. Some places say that the dog I've got is a baby killer, yet I'd trust him with everything. He's so gentle.

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It's not the dogs that should be targeted, it's the people purposely buying them to be agressive and to look tough. It's not the breed of dog, any dog can be aggressive if it is in the wrong environment. I think 99% of all out of control and agressive dogs can be retrained. They may not be suitable for family pets but they could be put to use as working dogs.

I HATE HATE HATE this kind of ignorance. Humans need to realise that it is us who domesticated dogs so we are responsible for how we mould them.

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Definitely stupid people, not bad dogs.

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I agree that it's a owner's fault not he dog's. I always feel bad when I hear that a dog's been put down for being dangerous ( I know it's for safety but it's still not their fault). Also near by to where I live, a pit bull was tied up, covered in petrol and set on fire. It just goes to share how little people care about life.

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I'm with everyone else, it's the owners to blame. I lived in a pretty rough area for a couple of years and the number of people who had pitbulls or staffordshire bull terriers as pets was insane when compared to the number of other breeds around there. People wrongly think that having these dogs affords some sort of status symbol.

I had one of my neighbours dogs removed from him after several incidents where I saw him beating the dogs with their metal chain leash or encouraging them to attack people/other dogs, after they were taken from him he was banned from keeping dogs (and any animal I think) but somehow still managed to get another pitbull pup, when i reported this to the council their attitude was pretty much just "meh, if he got another there's not a whole lot we can do"

There definitely needs to be more stringent checks performed to ensure that dog owners have their pets because they want a pet, not some form of weapon.

Though all that said, I have heard so many reports of loving family pets who had never shown any signs of aggression suddenly flipping out one day and attacking someones kids. I think no matter how much you trust a dog, you should never leave them completely unnattended with small children.

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I agree, it is definitely a case of poor ownership. My old neighbour has a Rottweiler that he encourages to be aggressive, despite having 5 kids in the house - as far as I'm aware the dog has never attacked, but I won't be all that surprised if he goes for someone one day.
We called the council repeatedly over the years and nothing has happened, he's allowed to keep that dog.

However dogs *are* animals, same as humans. If provoked every animal has it's limit and will snap. I think this may be the problem in some cases where dogs attack children, or adults.
My grandma has the soppiest Cavaliar King Charles Spaniel you'll ever meet, she loves a fuss and loves curling up in laps even more - but my gran knows that a family friend has kids who poke and prod at pets, and doesn't teach them how to behave. So my gran puts the dog away if they visit because there's always that chance that she'll get sick of some brat pulling on her tail and ears, and snap at him or possibly even attack. And of course said family friend would argue that it was the dog's fault.


My mum keeps Boxers, and is very heavily involved with Boxer welfare charities. Her dogs are both rescues, a Boxer and a Boxer/Dalmation, and gorgeous pets that love belly rubs and walkies - but we're all fully aware that they can attack, certainly if provoked, and of how powerful they are. The Boxer George is built like a tank, and could easily take down a grown man hard as it is the imagine when he's curled up on the sofa with his head in your lap.
People just don't think.

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frank? wrote:

:( That makes me want to cry, Kohanna :( I fucking hate people.



I know frank? I always say humans are more savage in their attacks then animals. Sadly it's not just big pits that get attacked either I have known my dad to kick our tiny dog (thank fuck he's gone) and my friend's neighbour have had their cat brain damaged (petrol poured down it's throat and tail cut off) thankfully the cat is okish (does tend to walk with it's claws out).
Like Icks and LittleRedBee pointed out more should be done to unsure animals are safe from scum.

 



-- Edited by Kohanna13 on Monday 22nd of March 2010 02:08:49 PM

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I agree with everyone else, how you teach dogs and how you treat them is ultimately what makes them behave they way they do. I have a doberman and he's lovely, if not a little dumb. He's nine and still acts like a puppy (: But whenever i walk him around my area people will cross the street just to avoid us. Of course i understand that he is a very big dog and won't let him of the lead unless my dads there too. Its just about being responsible.

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You know, I seriously think you should take some sort of test before you can own a dog, to proove you're going to train it and control it properly.
Certain dogs are harder to control than others, and I don't just mean the typical 'scary' dogs, but say dogs like collies, who have such crazy energy levels, take more 'controlling' than a little pug dog or something. But that doesn't mean it's bad dogs. It's definitely bad owners. If you can't control your dog, you shouldn't have it.

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I'm afraid that if I was lifetime dictator of the world, a dog behaving badly would result in the owner being shot instead of the dog...

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In my opinion (which ain't much!) there's no such thing as dangerous dogs, just dangerous owners.
If you put restrictions on "dangerous" dogs, these "yobbos" (granny's new word) will just start mis-treating other breeds and making them viscious.
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With the exception of guide dogs, I don't think that anyone should have a dog unless they have the space to exercise it on their own property.
Dogs are horriable and  I hate it when they bound up to you slobber and jump all over you and the owner just says "its ok he doesn't bite" - what does that mean I want this disgusting thing all over me?
At the very least it should be on a short/controllable lead.

There are types of dangerous dogs, but they are often owned by stupid people who don't know how to even begin to control them.
I was walking through a small park a couple of months ago and the person just ahead of me, got biten by one of two dogs, and all the owner said was "you're lucky it wasn't the other one, he wouldn't let go"


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That's shocking, I would of gone ballistic at him. I have a big dog, who always on the lead inless there's people about. And I hate it when he jumps up at people, he always gets told off so he doesnt really do it anymore now. Actually I think weve got him pretty well trained. I hate it when dogs slobber over you when you're eating so I just tell him to hide his eyes and he looks away.

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Danni wrote:

With the exception of guide dogs, I don't think that anyone should have a dog unless they have the space to exercise it on their own property.
Dogs are horriable and  I hate it when they bound up to you slobber and jump all over you and the owner just says "its ok he doesn't bite" - what does that mean I want this disgusting thing all over me?
At the very least it should be on a short/controllable lead.


I love getting dog slobber all over my face, but of course any dog owner with half a brain teaches their dog not to do that because not all people feel comfortable with a dog "attacking" them like that.

As for biting, that should be obvious and if a dog bites you, you can demand having it put down I think.

That being said, our dog have bitten a guy once. But I honestly think that when you see a pickup truck with a bloody moose carcass and a growling hunting dog tied on it, and have a bunch of hunters shouting at you from a distance to stay the fuck away, and you still stick your hand in to pet the dog; you actually deserve to get bitten.

 



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yeah, some people are dumb... had a guy in the park last week take his dogs ball off him and give it to my dog and then wondered why his dog had a go at mine to get it back! ... like, how dumb do you need to be?

best advice for people scared of dogs? don't run ans squeal, as it activates their hunting instincts and makes them more excited and barky. don't look them in the eye, a nervous dog will be intimidated and an aggressive dog will see it as a challenge, they will both react with more barking and jumping. if you ignore a dog, it's a bit like ignoring a child, you become very uninteresting and they will go away.
(i have found this technique works particularly well on annoying, moody teenagers and unsuitable suitors equally effectivley... bonus!)



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Dogs are like babies I suppose, or children. There's no such thing as a baby born aggressive. Yes, some children will have a natural predisposition to be more violent in stressful situations, but babies are not violent. And nor are puppies. The only reason you always have one nursery school child who hits all the others with the heavy toys and a dog that bites everyone is they have some sort of reason to, be it violence in the past towards them, or being rewarded somehow for such violence or similar.

Banning a whole dog breed is insane- just because these dogs have more of a tendency to be violent doesn't mean we should stigmatise them. The violence isa result of poor dog ownership, not a "bad breed".

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I used to live in a street full of asian people and for some reason they don't like dogs. Well on the few occasions Logan got out they'd all run away screaming. Bad move, he chased after them all and nearly gave them a heart attack lol.

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The lady across the road from my mum's owns a boerboel, and one day the thing got out. My mom has a Collie Labrador cross, and the thing grabbed his snout through the gate (like what they were bred to do with bulls). The pekingese was going wild and screaming.

My fiance was home, and he ended up throwing a large bowl of icy water over them, if the gate wasn't locked he would have probably brained the dog. So the crazy dog ran away and my mom phoned the cops to tell them there was a crazed dog on the loose and gave them the neighbours address.

The cops showed up (since it wasn't a hostage-taking or housebreaking), and confronted the woman, who asked to speak to my mother. So my mom and my fiance went to the woman's house, and she went off on them. To cut a long story short, the cops did nothing about the dog and my fiance told and old lady to shut it. We have not seen the neighbours in a year, or their dog.

My mom's dog survived, although he had big toothmarks on his cheeks for weeks.

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I've always been taught if an animal gets after you, it was your fault for upsetting the animal in the first place. Some animals are more naturally grouchy I suppose.

But in regard to dogs, my mom's cousin had boxers that were guard dogs since they live in the middle of nowhere. But they were also the sweetest goofballs ever. You were just warned to not come over at night unless you drove and not roughhouse too much around them. Eventually one died and the other got hit by a truck.

It's the same way with most the dogs in my mom's family since her family lives in the country in farmland, the dogs are raised to protect. You do something that appears to be threatening around them and they're going to react. We all learn that from a young age to not be stupid around the dogs. It's the same with the family I babysat for, with the exception of the one that recently ran away, all the dogs knew me and had no problem with me. I think they had about 5-7 dogs.

When it comes to other people's dogs, I'm always nervous at the part of the park where people have their dogs off their leads mostly because I don't know the temperament of the dogs and they're usually big dogs (retrievers, rottweilers, pointers, labs etc). Plus I don't like it when big dogs come bounding up to you barking. It just is really unnerving. I end up clinging to whoever is with me until the owner calls them off.

-- Edited by ChynaRoze on Sunday 14th of March 2010 09:47:53 PM

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