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Post Info TOPIC: Bikini Kill - Rape culture, Sexism, Objectification & Misogyny


Baby Mook

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Bikini Kill - Rape culture, Sexism, Objectification & Misogyny


First of all sorry if i am posting this is the wrong place. Wasnt too sure where to put it.

How do you feel about the representation of rape culture, objectification, misogyny, sexism, etc in the song 'White Boy' By Bikini Kill?

I was wondering if you guys could help me out. For an essay im doing for uni i'm doing an audience study on the song White Boy by Bikini Kill and I need your opinions! It doesn't matter what your opinion is of the song and the themes around it, I just wanna know what they are. Whether you love it and agree with what the song is saying or you're totally against it. 


Here is a link to the song if you haven't heard it before but still want to help me out and i've also posted the lyrics below :) 


You can either just reply to the post with your opinion or send me a private message


I need as many responses as i can get! Thank you!!! :) 


Lyrics:
I don't think it's a problem 'cause
Most of the girls ask for it

Uh huh, how did they ask for it?

The way they act, the way they
I, I can't say they way they dress because
That's their own personal choice

Some of these dumb hoes,
Those slut rocker bitches walking down the street,
They're asking for it, they may deny it but it's true.

Lay me spread eagle out on your hill, yeah
Then right a book bout how i wanted to die
It's hard to talk with your dick in my mouth
I will try to scream in pain a little nicer next time

White boy, don't laugh, don't cry, just die!
I'm so sorry if I'm alienating some of you
Your whole fucking culture alienates me
I can not scream from pain down here on my knees
I'm so sorry that I think!

White boy, don't laugh, don't cry, just die!



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Me grasping at straws:

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hmmm...

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Hrm, I've not much to add right now except this:

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-- Edited by Indigo Empress on Thursday 2nd of May 2013 08:27:14 PM

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Firstly, Bikini Kill are riot grrl/punk. You'll want to mention that in your essay and have a good look at the background of the band. I love these guys; check out "Carnival" ('This is a song about sixteen year old girls giving carnies head for free rides and hits of pot')
Also take a look at "Slutever" (band name), their genre is the same but their perspective different.

To me, this song takes a clip of some dumb fuck saying what he says, and Bikini Kill's rather acrid, sarcastic reaction. What it says about rape culture in this context is limited; 'White Boy' basically says "Oh, oh really? We ask for it? By walking down a street? Oh, sorry, my bad, let me be your perfect little sex doll then. (/sarcasm)."

"I'm so sorry that I think" refers to the supposed dream of 'White Boy[s]' to have an unfeeling, fully accessible, non-thinking doll to be his plastic-perfect-dream-girl.

Also, HOW DID YOU GET LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE SET THIS AS AN ESSAY?!?!

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Mookish Deity Most High

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What I really like about Bikini Kill is that they aren't overly concerned with cohesion! I still don't think the song is lacking it, necessarily, but their main focus seems to be expressing their anger and frustration. I like that. Songs should express emotions and a beautiful story can be told through lyrics if that's what you're going for, but if you're angry, you're not always going to be coherent!

I do have to say I think it's appropriate the focus is on white boys, because as Indigo said, they're top of the food chain. Men of colour can be oppressors because of the patriarchy, but they're also at a disadvantage because they aren't white, so they of course experience racism. Just like as a white girl, I experience sexism but I also benefit through being white in a racist society. White boys have it both ways!

I also don't really think the song is purely about shock value... Maybe it would be shocking to the general public, but just because something's shocking doesn't mean that's all there is to it, does it? I think in riot grrrl as a whole, the bands were expressing things that are "inappropriate" in everyday life but that needed to be said.

I like the song. Definitely not one of my favourites by them, but I like it. I agree with the message they're trying to convey about both rape culture and society's expectations of women. I love the sarcasm, too - it's like a big fuck you to the "white boy" like "your ideas are so ridiculous, let me mock you under the guise of repeating you" :p

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I very rarely listen to lyrics, but the music is great.

That being said, while the lyrics isn't something that have a place in a serious debate I appreciate the song as expressing anger in reaction to the repulsive idiocy of spoilt and privileged people who think that the world revolves around them. This song, with it's anger and sarcasm stands in contrast to the cultural idea of women as poor little victims that need protection. Few things raises my hackles more about rape culture than the constant victimising of women and fear mongering that the media perpetuates. I understand that some women is concerned about their safety, and that those issues need to be addressed; but those of us who react with anger rather than fear to threats deserve a voice too.

"White boy" is a bigoted slur, but in a world where lyrics are littered with bitches and whores I can't say I find it particularly offensive. I rarely find it productive to use the "check your privilege" card in any verbal dialogue, but this is music, an art form expressing and creating emotions. There is a difference between words used in a song and words used in a debate.

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Thank you for this. If this music influences society in such a way as to keep men from raping and killing women and worst yet getting away with it, I'm all for it. Certainly a step in the right direction even if it is very edgy and offensive. I feel very strongly about doing something against anything or anyone who stands in the way of a woman's sexual freedom.

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I'm a (predominantly) white boy, and I don't see why this song shouldn't be considered viable as a pretty literal, straightforward social critique (albeit not as a song, because it's not black metal or alternative rap, and I hate it with a passion), or even eristically offensive. Rape culture is (arguably, I guess) much more ingrained in the prevailing male psyche than any other interpretation of intrinsic sexuality, and I have no obligation or rational reason to attempt to vindicate that propensity. I don't care if it's a crime to like generic, ergonomic sex better than any other sex; keep the weird, unnecessary, aesthetically inferior shit out of my porn, along with your pointless, terrible, stereotypical "acting" (especially the introductions; why the fuck does porn need an introduction!?), and preferably on the deepest bowels of the internet (where I better not be able to find them), or freaking nowhere. Seriously, though, it isn't just the outrageously violent sickos; most men get off on rape, as long as it isn't gory or icky; try watching some standard, commercial porn some time (tip: read the titles, too). I have no reason to deny this; I don't exactly benefit when social presumption prevents me from enjoying much of my sexuality, and people that do only do because their brains aren't resilient enough to resist whatever elements of the patriarchy they've been exposed to throughout their lives (obviously, no child's mind is resilient enough to elude all possible corruption).

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^Lucas, it's great that you're jumping in to give your insight in regards to some of the "heavier" discussions on Mooky, but could you please spoiler your post for people on here who may be triggered by reading material relating to rape/sexual abuse?

Trigger warning - rape

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To put text in spoiler, you put [spoiler] at the beginning and [ /spoiler] at the end - but without the space I made there between the [ and the /



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^ Wait wait wait wait wait,

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^ Trigger Warning: Rape

 

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EDIT: Just fixing the spoiler, as doing it the way you described didn't work for me Becky, I had to use the advanced editor, highlight the text I wanted covered, and then press the spoil button.





-- Edited by Inky on Monday 16th of September 2013 04:28:14 PM



-- Edited by Inky on Monday 16th of September 2013 04:30:03 PM

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Mookish Deity Most High

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Also just to clarify

tw- BDSM/rape 

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^yeah Inky, that doesn't seem to be working anymore. That was the way I always used to do em. But now you've to do it exactly the way you described above. So Lucas, disregard my spoiler instructions above and use Inky's.

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